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Could Debian Lenny be a Refuge for KDE 3 Lovers?


I used to follow DistroWatch.com pretty closely, and although I use that site as a “launching pad” for all things Linux, I hadn’t been reading the Weekly Newsletter “The Distrowatch Weekly” like I used to. I was reading through some of the archived issues, and came across this issue where Distrowatch maintainer Ladislav Bodnar wrote a very interesting Editorial about KDE 3 and 4 and the current state of Distributions shipping KDE.

If you care about KDE, and especially, if like me, you care specifically about KDE 3, please go read his article. It’s full of good, balanced information. I think I will be taking his adivce and trying a KDE (3) install of Debian Lenny. As he said:

Finally, if you care about the personal (and no doubt controversial) opinion of your DistroWatch maintainer who has been evaluating many distributions over the last couple of months, then here is his advice: install Debian “Lenny”. Although you won’t be running the bleeding-edge Qt 4/KDE 4 combination, you’ll be pleased to know that you can still enjoy a feature-full, lightning-fast and rock-solid KDE 3.5.9, which will be supported well into 2011. By which time, KDE 4 might be just as good as KDE 3.5 is today.

I think he is spot on there. Not EVERYONE who uses Linux on their desktops are yearning for the absolute latest and gratest, and newest bits of code available every second. Although Lenny isn’t labeled “Stable” yet, and is still technically “Testing” I feel confident, this close to release, and knowing the stringent quality control that Debian puts releases through before labeling them “Stable” that I can install Lenny with no worries :-)

Thanks Ladisav for throwing some “proverbial” water in my face and forcing me to wake up. I don’t HAVE to switch to GNOME, and I don’t HAVE to run KDE 4. Debian gives me a nice (to quote Ubuntu) LTS, or Long Term Support option to continue running KDE 3 until KDE 4.x.x is ready for me.

As I’ve said before, KDE 4 does need users, but I still reccomend it only in a Virtual Machine, or on a Second machine to your production box at this time.

      

Written by jaysonrowe on November 8th, 2008 with no comments.
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P.S. Regarding Mandriva and KDE 4…


After trying Kubuntu Intrepid, I’m not sure anymore how great the Mandriva KDE 4 implementation really was. It was the first KDE 4.1.2 I tried, and I’m beginning to think that is where the magic was.

Kubuntu 8.10 has been every bit as fast, and rock-solid.

      

Written by jaysonrowe on October 13th, 2008 with no comments.
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So Long Mandriva, It Was Nice Meeting You!


I say that with absolute honesty too! It was nice meeting you. Honestly, I knew part-way through the weekend it probably wasn’t going to work out. I was hesitant to jump ship too quickly, because I really wanted it to work out, however there were a few things that kept coming up that I simply wasn’t able to overcome. To everyone at Mandriva, I do think you all put out a nice distro, and I look forward to keeping up with your progress, and I’ll surely check out 2009.1, but honestly, after getting past the KDE 4 bling you initially provided me, I simply wasn’t comfortable. It was kinda like staying at a hotel - it’s nice for a while, but after a few days you just wanna go home!

Here are some of the issues I ran into:

First - from the time I first installed, something weird was going on with your mirrors. I have a 10+ Meg pipe here at my house, and my net install took 3 hours to complete - probably because I was downloading from a European mirror. I didn’t complain at the time, because I figured since it was release day, all off the mirrors were not synced up yet, and what mirrors were on-line, I assumed, were getting hit pretty hard.

THIS would have been OK - I can understand something like that. The situation got worse, however, instead of better as the weekend went on. Part of this was my fought, part of it wasn’t. To start with, I think I screwed up my mirror-list by trying to get more localized mirrors on there. I then read that I should remove all the sources, and just add them back with the automagical button. This did not work - Error 1. I then read that I should do it with “Easy URPMI” - well, it gave me Cooker repo’s that I had been using unknowingly. Finally, I was able to manually add them back from the command line, but it kept defaulting to some butt-slow mirror in Germany. Hey, I’m in the US, why can’t I use kernel.org? They are a Mandriva mirror! I get good speeds from there - I don’t get good speeds from Germany. I then kept reading that in previous versions of Mandriva you could manually select which mirrros that you want, but this ‘feature’ was removed and ‘improved’ with a process that automatically selected the best mirror for you. Well, news-flash Mandriva guys, it doesn’t work - put it back the way it was! In short what ended up happening was I couldn’t install ANYTHING - I kept getting that stupid “Error 1″. I simply wanted to edit a text file, in my favorite CLi editor, nano (which I’m still shocked wasn’t installed by default), and I couldn’t install it. “Error 1″. I’m beginning to think “Error 1″ was installing Mandriva in the first place!

Secondly, in several areas, there were quite a few areas that lacked professionalism. I noticed misspelled words and grammatical errors in a couple of places, and anywhere that the release was being criticized there were people coming back with “The Mandriva Dev team is overworked - it’s so small!” “Our KDE Team is very small” (I thought you were a KDE distro? Was I wrong???), “We knew there were problems but we released anyway”. IMHO there was a little too much of this. Some of the things I read on the official forums, and in the IRC room were more akin to something I would expect from a small “one-man” distro, not a big company like Mandriva. Huge lack of professionalism in my opinion (but again, this is just my opinion).

Most of the community people I’ve seen seem friendly, but often overly pushy or defensive of the distro. Adam W. comes to mind (I’m seriously not trying to offend you Adam). But, Adam, you show up everywhere the word Mandriva is mentioned on the internet, and put in your $0.02. Often, I don’t think you fully read the context of what you are commenting on (perhaps because you’re the only one trying to read all of the reviews for Mandriva - you are an employee - correct?). I personally found your comment on my blog regarding the Server Kernel being installed by default very unprofessional. You clearly didn’t read what I had written - you simply scanned it, and then fired off a comment basically giving me the impression that you didn’t think I knew what I as talking about, and Mandriva couldn’t do anything wrong. After I corrected you, finally you replied that “Oh, yeah. That IS a bug - it was fixed once but we broke it again before release - I don’t know why really”. That doesn’t sound professional for me.

This overall lack of professionalism (and integrity) is what turned me off to Mandriva the last time I tried it. Let’s have story time :-)

A while back, there was a magazine (I can’t remember which one) which had the 2008.0 Mandriva Power Pack on the cover. I thought that was a great deal, however after I bought the magazine, I was told by you, Adam W. on your forums that I couldn’t have any of the proprietary software that came with the Powerpack because that wasn’t in the agreement with the Magazine. So, if so, why let the Magazine “advertise” the Powerpack, $59 Value? I didn’t get a $59 value, I lost the $15 I paid for the magazine, and I got nothing more than I could have gotten with Mandriva One (I couldn’t even get x86_64 media!

I gave Mandriva a ton of publicity this weekend on my blog, and I only hope that you fix many of the problems currently in the final release since I know over 3,000 people read of me recommending your software - I don’t want my readers to have a bad experience. I fully expect the entire Mandriva flock to descend on my blog and comment away, but I was pretty ticked off this afternoon when I couldn’t install a simple application.

Someone was looking out for me tonight, however. I wasn’t sure what I was going to do - but on a whim I downloaded the “daily-live” build of Kubuntu Intrepid - burned it, said a prayer and rebooted. Finally, after weeks of trying X started on my system. I went through the install, and although I don’t yet have fglrx, I have X and everything is running nicely on the open-source ATI driver. Call me a fanboy if you want, but (K)Ubuntu is the best Desktop distro out there (and becoming the best Server Distro, imho), and even in pre-release stage Kubuntu 8.10 is very polished and professional. Jonathan Riddell and team have done a great job with this release so far, it’s just that due to ATI, this is the first I’ve been able to see of it. I’m not sure what changed, or what got updated, but finally it works, and I can ride it out to RTM. Ubuntu/Kubuntu might not have the fancy control center, but at least I understand how it works, and how to fix it if it breaks. Also, there is absolutely the largest and most helpful community surrounding it if I do run into something that doesn’t work.

      

Written by jaysonrowe on October 13th, 2008 with no comments.
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KDE Launched New User Forums Today!


Today KDE Dot News reported that the brand new KDE User Forums are up and running.

This will be an awesome place to go to discuss all things KDE in a Distribution neutral environment. If you care about KDE, and would like to help out and interact with other KDE users, this is the place to go.

I know all too well how easy it is to get hung up in your own distro, and you never get to interact and exchange ideas with users from other distributions (and even other Unixes, such as BSD). This is your opportunity to help out KDE itself and give something back to the entire KDE community!

See you on the forums!

http://forum.kde.org/

      

Written by jaysonrowe on October 12th, 2008 with no comments.
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Keep up with KDE 4 development with the KDE Four Live CD


Although they sometimes get a bad rap because of Novell’s agreement with Microsoft, stuff which I could care less about - partly because I’m a MS consumer as well, and I make my living largely by Administrating Windows Server Operating Systems, openSUSE does some great things for the Linux Community.

Personally, on several occasions, I have tried and failed to run openSUSE as my personal distro. I’m not going to get into those reason here, but we are simply not a “match”. That aside, there is a great tool given too us by openSUSE and that is the Build Service and the “KDE Four” Live CD.

The KDE Four Live CD comes in two versions, and both are installable, based on openSUSE 11.0 and are a handy tool to keep up with KDE 4 development.

Both versions are available here, and let me explain the differences.

The first CD is based on KDE 4.1.1 (I’m sure soon to be updated to 4.1.2) and represents the latest “stable” build of KDE 4. The second CD is based on the KDE 4.1.64 development snapshot, which will become KDE 4.2.

Since I’m running Mandriva 2009 with KDE 4.1.2, I opted for the “development” CD to download, and install in VirtualBox. Now, since it’s a LiveCD, I don’t have to “install” it, I could simply boot the ISO up in VirtualBox. My purpose for installing it is to keep it up-to-date over time.

Although I’m using VirtualBox, you could choose to use VMware, KVM, QEMU or any other Virtualization program you choose to check this out, or you could boot up a PC with the live CD, or if you really like living on the edge, you could install it onto your PC.

Once you decide how you’re going to use the CD, head over to the link I provided earlier and download one of the ISO files. I’ll wait…

Ok, now that you have the ISO, for sake of simplicity, let’s just say you’re using VirtualBox, so go ahead and make your Machine, mount your ISO and power on the virtual. Once at the desktop, you’ll notice it’s a plain jane KDE 4 without any openSUSE customizations (this raises a question for me later).

Now, the “installer” isn’t really visible anywhere, and I had to dig a little to find it, but go into YaST, and go to Miscellaneous and you’ll see Live Installer - click that, and go through the install, and reboot your Virtual Machine - again, I’ll wait…

OK! Now you have it installed. By default the standard openSUSE 11.0 repositories are configured, along with the Build Service repo’s for the KDE 4 “Unstable” builds. You can go ahead and do a full system update with YaST, and if you do this regularly, you’ll have an isolated test enviroment to keep up with KDE 4, and where it’s progressing on it’s way to 4.2!

Remember two paragraphs ago when I said the vanilla KDE 4 I got initially off of the CD ended up raising a question for me? Well here it is. After doing the update, and rebooting, I was greeted with KDE 4 with the Aya Plasma theme rather than Oxygen. I’m thinking this is an openSUSE customization (since the little openSUSE Lizard guy is hanging out on the Window Title Bars now), but I can only hope, wish and dream that the KDE 4 team has decided to make Aya the default for 4.2 - I know openSUSE 11 used Aya, and Mandriva is using it as well. I hate that black panel that’s there by default (trying to look like Vista?), and Aya takes on the system wide selected color scheme, which looks far more professional and polished to me. This is personal taste, but I can only hope that distro’s follow openSUSE and Mandriva’s lead by using Aya, although Kubuntu and Fedora so far have been using the ugly black panel. I did like this look I got after I updated the LiveCD, see here for how it affected my personal Mandriva setup.

And now, the obligatory screenshot:

      

Written by jaysonrowe on October 12th, 2008 with no comments.
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Yet another nifty KDE 4 Window Decoration option


In case you are wondering why the frequent posts, I’m simply documenting my acclamation with KDE 4 in real-time; as I discover stuff.

Although I was very happy just a few hours ago to discover the Plastik window decorations were available in KDE 4, things move very fast when you are feeling your way around a new environment.

Just now I was playing around with the openSUSE based “KDE Four LiveCD” in VirtualBox (this will be my next blog-post, so stay tuned), I discovered this little combo.

I personally can’t see a huge difference between the Oxygen and the Ozone window decorations, and honestly I’m not sure which is the KDE 4 default, but I knew I didn’t like either one in the context they have been previously presented too me. I just discovered though, that I can kill the “stripes” and have a solid colored decoration with Ozone, which I like a lot - I didn’t like the “blended” or “same-color” windows that I saw before.

This is a livable option for me, and definitely looks more “modern” and more “KDE 4″ than Plastik.

Check it out (excuse the task-bar clutter, I was preparing for my next blog-post when I got sidetracked with this):

Note: This is using the Oxygen widget style and Oxygen Color Scheme as well.

      

Written by jaysonrowe on October 11th, 2008 with no comments.
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